Generation Descriptions

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Explanation of Terms

Kekulé Numbers on Eastman's blog

Visual of Kekulé numbering system

Ahnentafel on Wikipedia

Numbering Systems Sosa-Stradonitz System or Ahnentafel

Visual of Sosa-Stradonitz or Ahnentafel numbering system

various relationship messages about grandparents, aunts and uncles

TNG relationship messages

The following is an attempt to understand and show the TNG relationship message displayed for each previous generation.

Gen Kekulé relationship -- Designation used -- -- $text new Variable(0*)
Nbr number to person in English in German in Dutch in French in Swedish Variable used look here
0 1 self same person - - - - - Proband [P1]
1 2 father father Vater vader père far $text['fathof'] [P2]
1 3 mother mother Mutter moeder mère mor $text['mothof'] [P3]
2 4 paternal grandfather grandfather Großvater Grootvader grandpère farfar $text['gfath'] [P4]
TNG incorrectly displays OK arrière grandpère(2*) far-/morfar
2 5 paternal grandmother grandmother Großmutter Grootmoeder grandmère farmor $text['gmoth'] [P5]
TNG incorrectly displays far-/mormor
2 6 maternal grandfather grandfather Großvater Grootvader morfar [P6]
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morfar
2 7 maternal grandmother grandmother Großmutter Grootmoeder mormor [P7]
TNG incorrectly displays far-/mormor
3 8 father's father's father great-grandfather Urgroßvater Overgrootvader arrière grandpère farfars far $text['great'] modifies $text['gfath'] [P8]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK grand arrière grandpère(2*) far-/morföräldrars far
3 9 father's father's mother great-grandmother Urgroßmutter Overgrootmoeder arrière grandmère farfars mor $text['great'] modifies $text['gmoth'] [P9]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK grand arrière grandmère(2*) far-/morföräldrars mor
3 10 father's mother's farther great-grandfather Urgroßvater Overgrootvader farmors far [P10]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK far-/morföräldrars far
3 11 father's mother's mother great-grandmother Urgroßmutter Overgrootmoeder farmors mor [P11]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK far-/morföräldrars mor
3 12 mother's father's father great-grandfather Urgroßvater Overgrootvader morfars far [P12]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK far-/morföräldrars far
3 13 mother's father's mother great-grandmother Urgroßmutter Overgrootmoeder morfars mor [P13]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK far-/morföräldrars mor
3 14 mother's mother's father great-grandfather Urgroßvater Overgrootvader mormors far [P14]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK far-/morföräldrars far
3 15 mother's mother's mother great-grandmother Urgroßmutter Overgrootmoeder mormors mor [P15]
TNG incorrectly displays OK OK far-/morföräldrars mor
4 16 father's father's father's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader 2ième arrière grand-père farfars farfar 2 X $text['great'] modifies $text['gfath'] ?? [P16]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater(1*) 2 x groot grootvader(3*) 2 x grand arrière grandpère(2*) 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 17 father's father's father's mother 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder 2ième arrière grand-mère farfars farmor 2 X $text['great'] modifies $text['gmoth'] ?? [P17]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter(1*) 2 x groot grootmoeder(3*) 2 x grand arrière grandmère(2*) 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
4 18 father's father's mother's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader farfars morfar [P18]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater 2 x overgrootvader 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 19 father's father's mother's mother 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder farfars mormor [P19]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter 2 x overgrootmoeder 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
4 20 father's mother's father's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader farmors farfar [P20]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater 2 x overgrootvader 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 21 father's mother's father's mor 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder farmors farmor [P21]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter 2 x overgrootmoeder 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
4 22 father's mother's mother's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader farmors morfar [P22]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater 2 x overgrootvader 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 23 father's mother's mother's mother 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder farmors mormor [P23]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter 2 x overgrootmoeder 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
4 24 mother's father's father's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader morfars farfar [P24]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater 2 x overgrootvader 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 25 mother's father's father's mother 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder morfars farmor [P25]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter 2 x overgrootmoeder 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
4 26 mother's father's mother's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader morfars morfar [P26]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater 2 x overgrootvader 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 27 morher's father's mother's mother 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder morfars mormor [P27]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter 2 x overgrootmoeder 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
4 28 mother's mother's father's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader mormors farfar [P28]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater 2 x overgrootvader 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 29 mother's mother's father's mor 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder mormors farmor [P29]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter 2 x overgrootmoeder 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
4 30 mother's mother's mother's father 2nd great-grandfather Altvater Betovergrootvader mormors morfar [P30]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßvater 2 x overgrootvader 2 x far-/morföräldrars far
4 31 mother's mother's mother's mother 2nd great-grandmother Altmutter Betovergrootmoeder mormors mormor [P31]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Urgroßmutter 2 x overgrootmoeder 2 x far-/morföräldrars mor
5 32 father's father's father's father's father 3rd great grandfather Altgroßvater Oudvader farfars farfars far [P32]
TNG incorrectly displays 3 x Urgroßvater 3 x overgrootvader 3 x far-/morföräldrars far
5 33 father's father's father's father's mother 3rd great grandmother Altgroßmutter Oudmoeder farfars farfars mor [P33]
TNG incorrectly displays 3 x Urgroßmutter 3 x overgrootmoeder 3 x far-/morföräldrars mor
etc

also the other TNG relationship messages are not correct:

Gen Kekulé relationship -- Designation used -- -- $text new Variable(0*)
Nbr number to person in English in German in Dutch in French in Swedish Variable used look here
nn nn father's brother uncle Onkel oom farbror $text['???'] [P2B]
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morbror
nn nn father's sister aunt Tante tante faster $text['???'] [P3S]
TNG incorrectly displays fa-/moster
nn nn mother's brother uncle Onkel oom morbror $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morbror
nn nn mother's sister aunt Tante tante moster $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays fa-/moster
nn nn father's father's brother great uncle Großonkel groot oom farfars bror $text['???'] [P4B] & [P6B]
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars far-/morbror
nn nn father's father's sister great aunt Großtante groot tante farfars syster $text['???'] [P5S] & [P7S]
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars fa-/moster
nn nn father's mother's brother great uncle Großonkel groot oom farmors bror $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars far-/morbror
nn nn father's mother's sister great aunt Großtante groot tante farmors syster $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars fa-/moster
nn nn mother's father's brother great uncle Großonkel groot oom morfars bror $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars far-/morbror
nn nn mother's father's sister great aunt Großtante groot tante morfars syster $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars fa-/moster
nn nn mother's mother's brother great uncle Großonkel groot oom mormors bror $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars far-/morbror
nn nn mother's mother's sister great aunt Großtante groot tante mormors syster $text['???']  ?
TNG incorrectly displays far-/morföräldrars fa-/moster
nn nn father's father's father's brother 2x great uncle Urgroßonkel farfars farbror $text['???'] [P8B]
TNG incorrectly displays 2 x Großonkel 2 x groot oom ??? 2 x far-/morföräldrars far-/morbror
nn nn father's father's father's sister 2x great aunt Urgroßtante farfars faster $text['???'] [P9S]
TNG incorrectly displays 2x Großtante 2x groot tante ??? 2 x far-/morföräldrars fa-/moster
nn nn father's father's father's father's brother 3x great uncle Altonkel farfars farfars bror $text['???'] [P16B]
TNG incorrectly displays 3 x Großonkel 3 x groot oom ??? 3 x far-/morföräldrars far-/morbror
nn nn father's father's father's father's sister 3x great aunt Alttante farfars farfars syster $text['???'] [P17S]
TNG incorrectly displays 3 x Großtante 3 x groot tante ??? 3 x far-/morföräldrars fa-/moster
etc
Gen Kekulé relationship -- Designation used -- -- $text new Variable(0*)
Nbr number to person in English in German in Dutch in French in Swedish Variable used look here
nn nn brother's son nephew brorson $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror-/systerson
nn nn brother's daughter niece brorsdotter $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror-/systerdotter
nn nn sister's son nephew systerson $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror-/systerson
nn nn sister's daughter niece systerdotter $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror-/systerdotter
nn nn brother's son's son great nephew brorsons son (brors sonson is acceptable) $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters son
nn nn brother's son's daughter great niece brorsons dotter $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters dotter
nn nn brother's daughter's son great nephew brorsdotters son $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters son
nn nn brother's daughter's daughter great niece brorsdotters dotter $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters dotter
nn nn sister's son's son great nephew systersons son $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters son
nn nn sister's son's daughter great niece systersons dotter $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters dotter
nn nn sister's daughter's son great nephew systerdotters son $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters son
nn nn sister's daughter's daughter great niece systerdotters dotter $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays bror/systersons/dotters dotter
etc


Gen Kekulé relationship -- Designation used -- -- $text new Variable(0*)
Nbr number to person in English in German in Dutch in French in Swedish Variable used look here
nn nn first cousin cousin kusin (also tvåmänning) $text['???']
nn nn second cousin 2nd cousin syssling or tremänning $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays 3 x kusin
nn nn third cousin 3rd cousin brylling or fyrmänning $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays 4 x kusin
nn nn fourth cousin 4th cousin pyssling or femmänning $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays 5 x kusin
nn nn fifth cousin 5th cousin sexmänning $text['???']
TNG incorrectly displays 6 x kusin

(0*) In the pdf-tree the abbreviations like "2C1R" mean 'SECOND Cousin ONE Removed'

In Swedish, the expressions once removed, 2 times removed (en gång borttagen, 2 gånger borttagna) etc is not used. One would say, e.g. cousin's daughter (kusins dotter), cousin's daughter's daughter (kusins dotterdotter) etc

Table using Kekulé numbers

n German Kekulé-numbers Dutch
from to
0 Eltern 2 3 Ouders
1 Groß eltern 4 7 grootouders
2 Urgroß eltern 8 15 overgrootouders
3 Alt eltern 16 31 betovergrootouders
4 Alt groß eltern 32 63 oudouders
5 Alt urgroß eltern 64 127 oudgrootouders
6 Ober eltern 128 255 oudovergrootouders
7 Ober groß eltern 256 511 oudbetovergrootouders
8 Ober urgroß eltern 512 1 023 stam-ouders
9 Stamm eltern 1 024 2 047 stam-grootouders
10 Stamm groß eltern 2 048 4 095 stam-overgrootouders
11 Stamm urgroß eltern 4 096 8 191 stam-betovergrootouders
12 Ahnen eltern 8 192 16 383 stam-oudouders
13 Ahnen groß eltern 16 384 32 767 stam-oudgrootouders
14 Ahnen urgroß eltern 32 768 65 535 stam-oudovergrootouders
15 Urahnen eltern 65 536 131 071 stam-oudbetovergrootouders
16 Urahnen groß eltern 131 072 262 143 edel-ouders
17 Urahnen urgroß eltern 262 144 524 287 edel-grootouders
18 Erz eltern 524 288 1 048 575 edel-overgrootouders
19 Erz groß eltern 1 048 576 2 097 151 edel-betovergrootouders
20 Erz urgroß eltern 2 097 152 4 194 303 edel-oudouders
21 Erzahnen eltern 4 194 304 8 388 607 edel-oudgrootouders
22 Erzahnen groß eltern 8 388 608 16 777 215 edel-oudovergrootouders
23 Erzahnen urgroß eltern 16 777 216 33 554 431 edel-oudbetovergrootouders

Description of the primordial parents
24 edel-stam-ouders 33.554.432
25 edel-stam-grootouders 67.108.864
26 edel-stam-overgrootouders 134.217.728
27 edel-stam-betovergrootouders 268.435.556
28 edel-stam-oudouders 536.871.112
29 edel-stam-oudgrootouders 1.073.742.224
30 edel-stam-oudovergrootouders 2.147.483.648
31 edel-stam-oudbetovergrootouders 4.294.967.296
32 voor-ouders 8.589.934.592
33 voor-grootouders 17.179.869.184
34 voor-overgrootouders 34.359.737.368
35 voor-betovergrootouders 68.719.476.736
Till 65th generation

Till 66 add: aarts-...etc

Till 130 add: opper-...etc

Till 258 add: hoog-...etc

Till 514 add: oer-...etc


1*: The correct relationship names are displayed above. Altgroßvater (engl. 2nd great-grandfather) , Altgroßmutter (engl. 2nd great-grandmother), Altgroßvater (engl. 3rd great-grandfather), Altgroßmutter (engl. 3rd great-grandmother),...


2*: This is a mistake in the French translation! To correct add the following overrides in TNG V8.1.0 to the French or French-UTF8 cust_text.php until the text.php if updated --Ken Roy 20:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

//  Overrides to French Relationships
                $text['great'] = "arrière";
                $text['gfath'] = "xxx grandpère de";
                $text['gmoth'] = "xxx grandmère de";
                $text['gpar'] = "xxx grandparent de";
                $text['mothof'] = "la mère de";
                $text['fathof'] = "le père de";
                $text['parof'] = "le parent de";

and in TNG V8.1.1 add also

 $text['ggreat'] = "arrière";

to the French or French-UTF8 cust_text.php --Ken Roy 15:44, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

3*: This is a mistake in the Dutch translation! To correct add the following overrides to the Dutch or Dutch-UTF8 cust_text.php until the text.php if updated --Ken Roy 20:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

//  Overrides to Dutch Relationships
                $text['great'] = "over";

Links about relationship messages

Dutch ..... German
Verwantschappen Generation names
De namen van de voorouders Family-relation
GB - NL ... NL-GB Family-relation (German)
family/relatives Relationshiptree (German Generation Descriptions) pdf-file